What I think is interesting about this immediately post-woke cultural moment, is that it's sort of the first time men and women have had a[n arguably] similar enough amount of social capital to duke it out rhetorically without it looking like one of the Avengers punching a midget. Like, maybe ever. My gender slop offerings are motivated mostly by this dynamic. Pre 2nd wave, men had too much power to be able to yell at women, even just in print, without it looking unseemly. And while the woke fever was still burning, men weren't allowed to deflect the blows coming their way because they were still doing penance for having been on top since we all wandered out of the Great Rift Valley.
Now, nobody seems to know who has the upper hand, which I think is kind of cool. Obviously the feminists think it's guys, and the male gender sloppers like me think it's probably the still the gals for now. But I don't think there's a clear consensus among spectators. It's a unique opportunity for us to fight about things we all had to be passive aggressive about until just now.
So I guess you picked the pictures to get Robert Stark over here?
Seriously, I basically agree with everything. The shifting balance, the publishing industry, the ultimately non-zero-sum nature of it. Certainly both parties can lose!
Only thing I really have to add is that if (as I suspect) the tariffs (and decreases in vaccination) go poorly the ladies are going to make a roaring comeback as the Dems retake power and realize they can poop all over men again and get away with it.
Serious question: what can the average man do to fight feminism, apart from voting Republican? That one's got lots of side effects, as can be seen above.
To be honest, I’ve never voted so my embodied take is that voting is unlikely to change a ton but I am not here to talk anyone out of it. Spectacle is probably the best move. A lot of the backlash against public schools came during Covid once parents could see what was getting taught. Putting cameras on people who are discriminatory and coming up with grammar that directly labels what they’re doing is the move. The left and women/therapy commissars are great at coining terms. It’s your turn. Call things what they are. Here I am calling out the fact that feminism basically remains constant no matter how many wins it gets, no matter how poorly men shake out.
The trick is to clown these people and say to their faces that you don’t believe their stories, that you notice victims get social credit and when they call themselves victims they are looking for status. Draw attention to this narcissism and smile while you do it. Always let them see you smile.
Thank you. And plays to my strengths as a wordcel, which is always important--don't try to play basketball if you're 5 feet tall. ;)
I think probably the big thing personally is dropping the self-deprecating Woody Allen/Jerry Seinfeld late-20th-century diaspora Ashkenazi sense of humor--it's not useful on the side I want to be on.
But to another thing--doesn't this basically presume a lack of inherent distinction between the sexes, which is one of the things people on the right are trying to argue against? 'You guys are dangerous, so you deserve to be discriminated against.' 'We're making up for past inequities' (you don't see this one as much anymore).
I’m not calling for The Purge (although I am not against). What I am saying is that there used to be a cultural memory of telling women that they were getting out of pocket or being hysterical or throwing a tantrum or seeking attention. It’s perfectly okay to address this and call it what it is when you see it but it is most important to do it in a way that gains you traction and doesn’t lose it. I have found a couple of occasions in which I was completely outnumbered, a woman tried to take something I said, get offended and twist it before the other women, and the alpha woman just looks at her and is like no one is going to fall for your shit here. They get totally deflated. I’m not sure I could quite describe it here but it’s just an attitude of I understand you’re upset, no one is asking you not to be upset, but if you think you are going to make it illegal for other people to not get upset, we are going to politely ask you to sit down and have a time out. I don’t think that’s erasing gender in any way or turning the discrimination on them.
The most important thing is not losing your cool. The best way of explaining it is this: whoever looks craziest in an argument usually loses. At least for the moment, stoicism is the move.
I once had a boss quit in the middle of an HR intervention we were having because she absolutely chimped that I wouldn’t take the bait when she was being inflammatory. She stood up crying, pulled her name tag off and slid her blackberry across the table.
People at least subconsciously know if they are trying to drag you down to their level so staving that off will force an error or make everyone else lose patience with them. It’s like war, if it’s obvious you’re going to lose, these people will quit. You have to act like you winning is the normal thing well adjusted people would go for. That even if the other person is right, they’re being so antisocial that more outbursts are inevitable. Everyone knows some people have them and most people don’t.
interesting overview of the gender discourse epidemic, to which i would only offer this reductive rejoinder - while the manufacturing of crisis you point out is certainly operant and that socio-economic/game theory equilibrium of the sexes is a key element, the most basic fact of all is…these broads still all want husbands and children (even if they cant acknowledge that) but the conditions on the ground have reverted back to the status quo ante of most men not being worth a shit, but the demands of monogamy mean only few women will actually get to reproduce AND do it with an adequately Good Enough male (thw standards of which have never been higher - which is good!!)
so…one big “she mad cuz she ugly” blown up to existential civilization scales bc of the hysteria of the media class
I guess what I’m saying is a lot of the women who are doing great, already have money, husband, kids, they are signaling to all the miserable women that they’re right there with them and being with a man is actually a big hassle and maybe it’s actually better to be single. Those women have not historically spoken up in rooms where people are trotting out dishonest talking points about men or the patriarchy, whatever, which is to say that a lot of the discourse feels like sport whining to me. They know their husband is fine, their son prob won’t be a lacrosse rapist but then they let people sound off about how it’s actually a man’s world and everything is against women.
Of course, by complaining you get to tell everyone things like how you have a husband and a house etc etc over the course of the drama. Lots of status games in complaining and many compete through these games.
i lose track of the inherent counter-signaling/contradictory posturing of girlworld communication and still foreground my masculinist perspective even when i try to detachedly analyze
this phenomena is in large part intra-group status competition sublimated through the veil of social liberalism
Haven't even read this yet but I need to know, did you take that photo at the top?? WTF if going on in that room with all the masks. I could stare at this photo for way too long, so many elements...
Not my pic. I prefer to make the little ones fight. It’s mostly dudes and always outdoors but I’m optimistic midget wrestling will proliferate across this great nation.
What I think is interesting about this immediately post-woke cultural moment, is that it's sort of the first time men and women have had a[n arguably] similar enough amount of social capital to duke it out rhetorically without it looking like one of the Avengers punching a midget. Like, maybe ever. My gender slop offerings are motivated mostly by this dynamic. Pre 2nd wave, men had too much power to be able to yell at women, even just in print, without it looking unseemly. And while the woke fever was still burning, men weren't allowed to deflect the blows coming their way because they were still doing penance for having been on top since we all wandered out of the Great Rift Valley.
Now, nobody seems to know who has the upper hand, which I think is kind of cool. Obviously the feminists think it's guys, and the male gender sloppers like me think it's probably the still the gals for now. But I don't think there's a clear consensus among spectators. It's a unique opportunity for us to fight about things we all had to be passive aggressive about until just now.
So I guess you picked the pictures to get Robert Stark over here?
Seriously, I basically agree with everything. The shifting balance, the publishing industry, the ultimately non-zero-sum nature of it. Certainly both parties can lose!
Only thing I really have to add is that if (as I suspect) the tariffs (and decreases in vaccination) go poorly the ladies are going to make a roaring comeback as the Dems retake power and realize they can poop all over men again and get away with it.
Serious question: what can the average man do to fight feminism, apart from voting Republican? That one's got lots of side effects, as can be seen above.
To be honest, I’ve never voted so my embodied take is that voting is unlikely to change a ton but I am not here to talk anyone out of it. Spectacle is probably the best move. A lot of the backlash against public schools came during Covid once parents could see what was getting taught. Putting cameras on people who are discriminatory and coming up with grammar that directly labels what they’re doing is the move. The left and women/therapy commissars are great at coining terms. It’s your turn. Call things what they are. Here I am calling out the fact that feminism basically remains constant no matter how many wins it gets, no matter how poorly men shake out.
The trick is to clown these people and say to their faces that you don’t believe their stories, that you notice victims get social credit and when they call themselves victims they are looking for status. Draw attention to this narcissism and smile while you do it. Always let them see you smile.
Thank you. And plays to my strengths as a wordcel, which is always important--don't try to play basketball if you're 5 feet tall. ;)
I think probably the big thing personally is dropping the self-deprecating Woody Allen/Jerry Seinfeld late-20th-century diaspora Ashkenazi sense of humor--it's not useful on the side I want to be on.
But to another thing--doesn't this basically presume a lack of inherent distinction between the sexes, which is one of the things people on the right are trying to argue against? 'You guys are dangerous, so you deserve to be discriminated against.' 'We're making up for past inequities' (you don't see this one as much anymore).
I’m not calling for The Purge (although I am not against). What I am saying is that there used to be a cultural memory of telling women that they were getting out of pocket or being hysterical or throwing a tantrum or seeking attention. It’s perfectly okay to address this and call it what it is when you see it but it is most important to do it in a way that gains you traction and doesn’t lose it. I have found a couple of occasions in which I was completely outnumbered, a woman tried to take something I said, get offended and twist it before the other women, and the alpha woman just looks at her and is like no one is going to fall for your shit here. They get totally deflated. I’m not sure I could quite describe it here but it’s just an attitude of I understand you’re upset, no one is asking you not to be upset, but if you think you are going to make it illegal for other people to not get upset, we are going to politely ask you to sit down and have a time out. I don’t think that’s erasing gender in any way or turning the discrimination on them.
Sounds tricky, but maybe your general audience can make more use of it.
Maybe playing 'what if everyone did that' is useful? Certainly appeals to the feminine desire to maintain norms.
The most important thing is not losing your cool. The best way of explaining it is this: whoever looks craziest in an argument usually loses. At least for the moment, stoicism is the move.
I once had a boss quit in the middle of an HR intervention we were having because she absolutely chimped that I wouldn’t take the bait when she was being inflammatory. She stood up crying, pulled her name tag off and slid her blackberry across the table.
People at least subconsciously know if they are trying to drag you down to their level so staving that off will force an error or make everyone else lose patience with them. It’s like war, if it’s obvious you’re going to lose, these people will quit. You have to act like you winning is the normal thing well adjusted people would go for. That even if the other person is right, they’re being so antisocial that more outbursts are inevitable. Everyone knows some people have them and most people don’t.
for the record, I love the patriarchy! convinced it’s the reason I don’t have to wait more than 2 minutes for a bench or squat rack at the gym.
thanks patriarchy 💕
Hear! Hear!
interesting overview of the gender discourse epidemic, to which i would only offer this reductive rejoinder - while the manufacturing of crisis you point out is certainly operant and that socio-economic/game theory equilibrium of the sexes is a key element, the most basic fact of all is…these broads still all want husbands and children (even if they cant acknowledge that) but the conditions on the ground have reverted back to the status quo ante of most men not being worth a shit, but the demands of monogamy mean only few women will actually get to reproduce AND do it with an adequately Good Enough male (thw standards of which have never been higher - which is good!!)
so…one big “she mad cuz she ugly” blown up to existential civilization scales bc of the hysteria of the media class
I guess what I’m saying is a lot of the women who are doing great, already have money, husband, kids, they are signaling to all the miserable women that they’re right there with them and being with a man is actually a big hassle and maybe it’s actually better to be single. Those women have not historically spoken up in rooms where people are trotting out dishonest talking points about men or the patriarchy, whatever, which is to say that a lot of the discourse feels like sport whining to me. They know their husband is fine, their son prob won’t be a lacrosse rapist but then they let people sound off about how it’s actually a man’s world and everything is against women.
Of course, by complaining you get to tell everyone things like how you have a husband and a house etc etc over the course of the drama. Lots of status games in complaining and many compete through these games.
yes this is all true
i lose track of the inherent counter-signaling/contradictory posturing of girlworld communication and still foreground my masculinist perspective even when i try to detachedly analyze
this phenomena is in large part intra-group status competition sublimated through the veil of social liberalism
Haven't even read this yet but I need to know, did you take that photo at the top?? WTF if going on in that room with all the masks. I could stare at this photo for way too long, so many elements...
Not my pic. I prefer to make the little ones fight. It’s mostly dudes and always outdoors but I’m optimistic midget wrestling will proliferate across this great nation.
All of his plans must subordinate to the same Progressive policies that put men into such a bad place in the first place.
- Indeed. I have been smashing Reeves for his aproach. Those Who have created this mess have no moral authority to solve the problem. Period.
We want freedom. From women. From the Government. Period.